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Fortune’s Diane Brady talked to Angeliki Frangou (above), the fourth-generation owner and CEO of Navios Maritime Partners, which operates a global fleet of more than 170 bulkers, tankers, and container ships. She said attacks on her ships in the strait are “just a part of what we are living.” Shipping costs in the region have gone up by 4X, she said.